Posts by Indian Larry

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Will we ever see another Ray Franz?

by Emery in

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will we ever see another governing body member leave the organization like ray franz did and speak out against them?.

one can only imagine the kind of dirt that's been concealed behind those gb sessions since the 1980's.. what are your thoughts?.

Indian Larry

I hope so. That would be fantastic. The thing is though that Ray Franz was a person with real integrity. Once he started the deeper research for the AID book and started to realize TATT then it was inevitable that he would be ejected. It is really too bad that no one on the GB has the personal strength to stand up and do as Ray did. Ray's books have changed my life and that of many others as well. If one of the GB today would do what Ray did only with the reach of the internet and all the media we have today it would be known by a lot more witnesses. I really do hate a lot of things about the ORG but, there are a lot of people stuck in there either being held by family or simply out of ignoranc of the truth. I would love if someone would stand up and do the right thing.

The problem is if you are with the org long enough to get into a position of authority then every single one of your friends is a witness. For someone to come forward like Ray did would mean losing every friend they know, losing their livelyhood, being gossiped about and compared to Satan.

It is a lose - lose for a GB member . . . . unless they really care about God and what he thinks of them. Not likely.

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do you own a 4wd vehicle?

by Glander in

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if so, and it's the type that requires you to switch to 4wd, how often do you use that capability?

i know more than a few people with 4wd capability but never use it.

a couple of these folks don't even know what it's for.

Indian Larry

For years and years I always had a 4x4 of one sort or another. Jeeps, Toyotas, FX4, etc. I mostly had them because I really love surf fishing. However all the enviromenalists have made it practically impossible to drive on the beach at Cape Hatteras any longer. I finally have moved to all 2WD vehicles for the first time in years and it really does not bother me at all. Better fuel mileage is a nice bonus as well. The only reason I would reccomend a 4x4 is if you are beach driving, in the snow a lot, or really will use it off road. Otherwise it is an expensive option.

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List of articles in WT Ray Franz wrote?

by faithfulslavedriver in

does somebody have a list, even an incomplete one, of articles rf wrote?

i know he contributed some to the aid book and occasionally i come across an older article that reminds me of coc or isocf.

what about ed dunlap?

Indian Larry

Here is a link to the audio version of In Search of Christian Freedom. BTW the only reason I am reccomending this is becaust Commentary Press does not have a audio version available. Do his wife Cynthia a favor and order a printed version from Amazon.com as well.

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7011688/RAYMOND.FRANZ.AUDIOBOOK.COLLECTION.(ENG).m4b.iPod

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List of articles in WT Ray Franz wrote?

by faithfulslavedriver in

does somebody have a list, even an incomplete one, of articles rf wrote?

i know he contributed some to the aid book and occasionally i come across an older article that reminds me of coc or isocf.

what about ed dunlap?

Indian Larry

He alos wrote the articles on "sacred service" in the early seventies. It is mentioned in his book "In Search Of Christian Freedom" - A FANTASTIC book by the way. If you listen to an iPod while driving/working out look online for the audio version. It is on one of the bittorrent sites. If whoever recorded that is on this forum, I thank you.

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What was the last great deal you got?

by Chemical Emotions in

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i'm leaving this pretty open, but the last great deal i got was a new-quality steif plush (about $70 dollar value, i'd optimistically guess, when it was new).

for about 2 or 3 bucks.

at a yard sale i think.

Indian Larry

A local pawn shop sells the unused credit on store gift cards for .60 on the dollar. So you can get a gift card (to Dick's Sporting Goods for instance) and save 40% then if you can find a good sale on top of that you are even further ahead. They verify the amount left on the card when you buy it. Also there is a 800 number on each card that you can call to find the balance.

People get gift cards for Birthdays etc. and would rather have cash (usually because the crack/meth dealer does not accept gift cards) so they take the gift card to the pawn shop and sell it for a fraction of the face value.

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How many JW pedofiles do you personally know?

by oldlightnewshite in

i was just thinking that out of the 200 jws that i actually know, at least 4 of them to my knowledge are pedophiles.

i know for a fact, through personal confidences.

that means, as far as my circle of jovo friends/acquaintances goes, 2% of them are kiddy fiddlers.. without mentioning names or details, how many do you know of for a certainty to be pedos, and what percentage does it work out at, considering all your circle of jovo friends?.

Indian Larry

I know of one in my old hall for a fact. He was convicted in a court of law and is on the "Meghans Law" list. I can't remember if he was DF's or just reproved, but as far as I know he currently is in good standing.

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Governing body member engaged... Again!

by OneDayillBeFree in

just found out that the australian governong body member known as geoffrey jackson got engaged to a sister about two weeks ago.

it really shocked me at first but then i remembered how other members of the gb have remarried in the past like daniel sidlik.

what made me say "woah" was hearing that the holy bride to be is really young!

Indian Larry

At age 57 his perv age limit would be 35 or younger.

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Governing body member engaged... Again!

by OneDayillBeFree in

just found out that the australian governong body member known as geoffrey jackson got engaged to a sister about two weeks ago.

it really shocked me at first but then i remembered how other members of the gb have remarried in the past like daniel sidlik.

what made me say "woah" was hearing that the holy bride to be is really young!

Indian Larry

The perv rule is half your age plus 7 years. For instance, if you are 40 you can go out with a 27 yr. old and it is okay. Anything under 27 and you are into perv territory. Just need to know Jacksons age divide by 2 and add 7 to determine if he is officially in perv country.

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How Did You Become An Atheist?

by NewChapter in

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since there seem to be a number of threads in this spirit, i'd like to ask how others became atheists.

for myself, i learned some things that made me understand the bible wasn't true.

i looked deeper, and it became even more unlikely.

Indian Larry

@MC RubberMallet: I too wonder about all the bad things going on. It does make me mad and it does not seem make sense to me, however I too see the wonder in nature and I really just can't believe it all came about by accident. I certainly do not want to preach nor to I wish to start a athiest vs design debate. I am not interested in that at all.

I would like to share with you something that has helped me a little for what it is worth. There are two podcasts that I listen to from time to time that try to offer answers to these type of questions. The answers are not all ra-ra yaaaa for the bible, the are well thought out answers by well educated men who have made (at least what they feel) is a rational decsion to believe in intelligent design. You may find them interesting.

The two that I like are:

1. RZIM - Helping believers think and thinkers believe

2. Reasonable Faith

The thing I like about these is that they do not speak at the kindergarden level like the WTBS does. I also like that on the RZIM podcast there are question and answer sections where the speaker takes questions from students in major universities. These students do ask the hard questions (including why there is suffering) and the speaker does his best to answer them. It is such a nice change from the WTBS who just hides from the hard questions and expects everyone to believe whatever they say just because they say it.

If others reading this post disagree, that is fine with me really, I do believe everyone should have the right to believe as they want to. I am simply sharing this because I too feel similar to "MC RubberMallet"

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So when will I stop hating the organization?

by loosie in

i have tried to stop hating the organization and all it stands for, but in 7 years i've had to luck in doing so.

i am going to therapy to work this out, but i still hate the wt borg.

i have heard it is bad for you to hate something for so long.

Indian Larry

I couldn't tell you. I have known they were wrong for about 10 years. I have been on a serious fade for several years now. I used to really HATE them, slowly I believe I am moving more to a feeling like I just don't care anymore, but I am not there yet. As long as my wife and daughter are being mislead by them I guess I will lean towards the hate side. The only thing is, it is kind of like when you break up with a girlfriend or wife. As long as you hate her that means in some way you still care, when you get to the point you don't hate anymore that means you just don't care about them one way or the other. I think that is the goal.

One way that might help ease the hate you have is to remember that 95% of the JW's are simply being fooled themselves. I think even many on the GB believe thier own delusions, and if they don't what a miserable life that would be! Look at Rutherford, he was not deluded, he knew what he was doing. Yes he had nice cars during the depression, yes a lot of people looked up to him. However his own son would have nothing to do with him, his wife would have nothing to do with him, he was a drunk and he died of ass cancer. Plus when he died according to AC McMillian only 3 people went to the funeral.

So I guess when you get pissed just remember - Ass Cancer - that will make you smile.

BTW. I agree with the elderlite, getting professional help is good. I had some issues several years ago and 6 visits to a therapist helped me tremendously.